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Many consider penthouse apartments the ne plus ultra of New York City real estate—with jaw-dropping views commanding equally precipitous top dollars. But given the recent luxury development boom, which has created loads of upscale condos that you don’t need a long elevator ride to reach, do these apartments still stack up?
It all depends on who you ask. According to this New York Post article, some buyers find penthouses too “flashy” or “remote” (among other negatives) for their tastes—especially in the new breed of towering skyscrapers, where folks may prefer to have treetop views instead of being stuck in the clouds.
Leonard Steinberg, chief evangelist and corporate broker at Compass, begs to differ—he says “the ‘penthouse premium' is worth every penny” because buyers get an apartment that stands out from the crowd, which automatically adds to its value.
And, he says, penthouses have a romantic connotation that’s never going away because they represent the dream of owning the best of the best.
[Editor’s note: An earlier version of this article was published in October 2019. We are presenting it again here as part of our winter holiday 2019 Best of Brick week.]
That rings true for Barbara Fox, founder of real estate brokerage Fox Residential, who has first-hand experience—she sells a lot of penthouses and lives in one too. She says privacy, ample outdoor space, and higher ceilings are among the many selling points.
Being on a higher floor, and sitting on top of a building, impacts resale value. That’s a fact of real estate valuation, explains Jonathan Miller, president and CEO of appraisal firm Miller Samuel, “The market has not shifted away from that.”
That is, as long as they truly are penthouses. These days, a penthouse isn't always a penthouse. Some new developments launch their projects with multiple penthouses, which Miller considers a marketing ploy to make an apartment more desirable.
Read on for more from these and other experts on the pros and cons of living in a penthouse apartment.
Why you would want a penthouse
That indescribable feeling. Of course, there's the prestige and sense of arrival that comes with being able to live in a penthouse, says Steinberg. "There's always something nice about hitting that PH button in the elevator. You aren’t a number anymore.”
Penthouse perks. Unobstructed views, lots of light, higher ceilings, elevators that open directly into the apartment, and private outdoor space (see below) are common—and often de rigueur—in penthouses. “Other apartments might deliver some of the above, but for the most part it’s the penthouse that provides these desirable attributes,” says Steinberg.
Peace and privacy. Penthouses are quieter than other apartments for a couple of reasons—they're further from the street noise below and never come with upstairs neighbors. No more toddlers running over your head and disturbing your sleep.
For Fox, having a penthouse that’s surrounded by terraces lends its own privacy so it doesn’t even matter if you are not the only apartment on the floor, which is the case in one of her listings on East End Avenue. “There are two apartments on the landing but the terraces that are between them serve as a cushion between each other and also the city.”
Outdoor space (the ultimate upside). For many New Yorkers, having outdoor space is the end-all, be-all, and the main reason for even buying a penthouse.
A terrace was certainly a must for Fox (she has six dogs) and is something she uses all the time. “I love gardening and to sit and relax in the morning and on beautiful days.”
In some of the super tall buildings, creating a terrace is more challenging because of the wind. There is no terrace for the penthouses on the 96th floor at 432 Park Ave. because they would be unusable, says Steinberg. Buyer beware.
Not that penthouses have a lock on outdoor spaces. “There are other apartments on lower floors with enormous terraces in my own building, which can be equally desirable to clients,” says Fox.
All things being equal, however, a terrace on a middle floor apartment will not have the same value as a similar size terrace on the penthouse level. “There’s less risk of that view becoming obstructed,” says Miller.
Only if the mid-level apartment is much larger (say, three combined units or a duplex) or has some other quantifiable asset would it have a higher valuation, he adds.
Panoramic views. Sure you can have gorgeous views from other apartments, but they often can’t compete with the views from the top floor—and especially when said views come with the added value of your own private outdoor space. “The sunlight is so beautiful on these higher floors too,” says Fox (who is on the 19th floor herself).
In the West Village penthouse he recently sold to a family, having incredible views from every room in the apartment was what set it apart. “They will never leave,” he says about the owners.
To capitalize on her own views, Fox replaced smaller windows with floor-to-ceiling ones throughout the whole apartment—something her board approved because the penthouse is not visible from the street.
Less market volatility. For all the above reasons, on average, penthouses tend to sell for about 5 to 10 percent more than non-penthouse apartments. And they also tend to be less affected by market volatility as a result, says Miller.
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Why you might think twice about buying a penthouse
Exposure to the elements. It’s safe to say you're more susceptible to the elements when living right beneath the roof.
According to Jeff Schneider, president of insurance brokerage Gotham Brokerage (fyi, a Brick sponsor), storm damage to the roof or ice damming are more likely in a penthouse than in other units.
You will also be liable for any overflow of sinks, tubs, and washing machines, says Schneider. “As there are more floors below you to damage you might want to have higher limits on your policy." (Note: There are no insurance surcharges for proximity to roof or elevation.)
The proprietary lease delineates what the building vs. penthouse owner is responsible for, explains Schneider, but generally the building takes care of the exterior structure, including the roof and common areas, as well as the concrete ‘box’ of the apartment.
The problem is some claims do not fall under insurance, like faulty construction or improper sealing of a roof, he adds. “You can try to recover from the contractor, but that is not always easy.”
Outdoor space (the flip side). Landscaping requires a lot of planning, planting, and upkeep, plain and simple, although you can always hire someone to take care of that—and the watering systems—for you.
Then there are the inevitable yet unpredictable winter conditions. Ordinary maintenance is the responsibility of the person who lives in the penthouse, explains attorney Steve Wagner of Wagner Berkow (a Brick Underground sponsor). You can't just shovel two feet of snow off the roof. "And what happens when it melts and some of the snow is now ice and blocks the path to the roof?
Smaller interior footprint. Having setbacks that create terraces reduces your interior footprint, which is why you’ll notice a lot of penthouses were originally built as duplexes or have existing greenhouse additions, says Fox.
You may be able to build up or out on your own penthouse, but “the fact that you buy a penthouse apartment doesn’t include with it the right to enlarge an apartment or to use up the building’s development rights, which are worth hundreds of dollars per square foot,” says Wagner.
It will also require an enormous amount of effort and be an incredibly expensive proposition to get it approved by the board and landmarks and the DOB, explains Fox.
That said, you can create a duplex by combining your top-floor penthouse with an apartment on the floor below, again assuming your board will give you the go ahead. That certainly happens.
Workers need access to the roof. Buildings are required to conduct facade or roof work every few years (per Local Law 11). There may also be water towers (on older buildings) and HVAC systems that will require servicing every so often. These essential services just might involve workers traipsing around on your terrace (or through your home).
Fox acknowledges this potential inconvenience but says she’s “never been too disturbed in my 10 years of penthouse living.”
After all, those workers are making the entire building (and your penthouse) all the more safe and sound.
Building disputes. "Whenever you’re buying a penthouse, there are often disputes as to what the penthouse owner actually owns," says Jeff Reich, an attorney with Schwartz Sladkus Reich Greenberg Atlas.
Outdoor space in particular can be a problem, and that may not be well defined, he says, especially if the board feels as though the penthouse owner is using space that that is a common area, or vice versa.
Case in point: Fox was involved in a dispute (indirectly) where a co-op took possession of part of the terrace of one of the penthouses (her client was in another), turning it into a public area. How can this happen?
“In a co-op the terrace is for the private use of the occupant but is owned by the building, says Miller.
Wagner reports that, overall, he sees more litigation involving penthouses than other apartments. There are the issues of leaks, of course, and who's responsible for them. But there are also plenty of lawsuits that come out of how penthouse owners use their coveted outdoor spaces.
"You need to make sure everything you put up there is legal and doesn’t disturb people below," he says. Specifically, when it comes to decorating your outdoor space, the standard limit is 40 pounds per square foot. "Co-ops and condos have a right to regulate those things." Message: Heed the rules.
Practical issues. There are admittedly more stairs to walk down if the power goes out or you need to evacuate should catastrophe strike, but most new buildings have generators so at least one elevator should be working, says Steinberg. And these newer developments have extraordinary safety measures built in, says Steinberg.
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The final verdict
Ultimately those interviewed here agree on one key point: So long as the supply of penthouses represents a fraction of overall apartments, you can be certain that the valuation will be up there.
Fox says she cannot think of one downside other than having to tie down the outdoor furniture during a big storm, which her building does for her.
“Even that is not such a downside. Plus, there’s nothing nicer than being able to take a little walk outside in the morning to see what the temperature is,” she says.
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